Comments on: Can Churches Sell the Sizzle Without Selling Out the Steak? http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/ You matter. Live like it. Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:05:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Rusty http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6779 Rusty Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:35:05 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6779 I have Millers book in the que to read, just picked it up. I am just about done with Born to Run by Christopher McDougall. If you haven't read it, its a must for anyone that thinks they might be a runner. Good stuff about running barefoot, and ultra marathons. Crazy people.. It seems that we have been led astray in our faith by those that were trying to protect it, and us? Seems to me that Jesus might have dealt with just a bit of conflict and tension? "in this world you will have trouble" He promised us to expect the same if we are living His way. I have Millers book in the que to read, just picked it up. I am just about done with Born to Run by Christopher McDougall. If you haven’t read it, its a must for anyone that thinks they might be a runner. Good stuff about running barefoot, and ultra marathons. Crazy people..

It seems that we have been led astray in our faith by those that were trying to protect it, and us? Seems to me that Jesus might have dealt with just a bit of conflict and tension? “in this world you will have trouble” He promised us to expect the same if we are living His way.

]]> By: Paul http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6778 Paul Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:48:28 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6778 Wow, that's good stuff. I'm in the middle of reading Don Miller's latest book and one if his main points is that to live a good story/life we need to embrace conflict. So, now in one week I find 2 things I should embrace that I've spent my entire life trying to avoid. :) Wow, that’s good stuff. I’m in the middle of reading Don Miller’s latest book and one if his main points is that to live a good story/life we need to embrace conflict. So, now in one week I find 2 things I should embrace that I’ve spent my entire life trying to avoid. :)

]]> By: Rusty http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6776 Rusty Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:54:14 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6776 Yes it took me awhile to get my own arms around the tension angle. But the more I wrestled with it, the more it seemed to fit my own theology. If we aren't wrestling with God I'm not sure we are pressing into Him adequately. If we aren't living in tension we are not stretching the rubber band so to speak to live the abundant life Jesus came to give us. Obviously the opposite of tension is slack, and I don't want to live the life of a slacker:) Yes it took me awhile to get my own arms around the tension angle. But the more I wrestled with it, the more it seemed to fit my own theology. If we aren’t wrestling with God I’m not sure we are pressing into Him adequately. If we aren’t living in tension we are not stretching the rubber band so to speak to live the abundant life Jesus came to give us.

Obviously the opposite of tension is slack, and I don’t want to live the life of a slacker:)

]]> By: Paul http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6773 Paul Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:10:31 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6773 Rusty, sounds like your church is doing some great stuff. I like the way you explained living in the tension, though I imagine it's challenging to create a culture where "tension" is viewed as a good thing. Thanks also for the link to Lon's blog, I'll check it out. Rusty, sounds like your church is doing some great stuff. I like the way you explained living in the tension, though I imagine it’s challenging to create a culture where “tension” is viewed as a good thing. Thanks also for the link to Lon’s blog, I’ll check it out.

]]> By: Rusty http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6765 Rusty Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:42:54 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6765 We we began 4 years ago our main focus was to reach our community with the Hope of Jesus. Growing up in a traditional church that was very inward focused I wanted to make sure we didn't fall into that same trap. We engaged our community at every level, and we did it very well. Our church was even chosen as non-profit of the year in our city 2 years ago. But our focus was only on reaching out. It felt to me that we were so focused on moving outward, that we missed teaching our folks about worship, and most of them didn't know each other very well. The last year we have tried to keep our church moving the in the tension of all three areas. I used to use the word balance, but I think tension is a better word. I also think living in the tension of moving inward, upward, and outward, is where we should live. We can't get lost in one area to long or we get comfortable. If you don't already read him, check out Lon at www.solarcrash.com He has some great stuff about this model. I chat with him occasionally via email. We we began 4 years ago our main focus was to reach our community with the Hope of Jesus. Growing up in a traditional church that was very inward focused I wanted to make sure we didn’t fall into that same trap. We engaged our community at every level, and we did it very well. Our church was even chosen as non-profit of the year in our city 2 years ago. But our focus was only on reaching out. It felt to me that we were so focused on moving outward, that we missed teaching our folks about worship, and most of them didn’t know each other very well. The last year we have tried to keep our church moving the in the tension of all three areas. I used to use the word balance, but I think tension is a better word. I also think living in the tension of moving inward, upward, and outward, is where we should live. We can’t get lost in one area to long or we get comfortable.

If you don’t already read him, check out Lon at http://www.solarcrash.com
He has some great stuff about this model. I chat with him occasionally via email.

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]]> By: Paul http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6762 Paul Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:15:55 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6762 Hey Rusty, thanks for your comment. Sounds like a good tag line. My church is in the process of "rebranding" itself using a faith, hope, and love theme as well. How does the tag line translate into the way your church engages and reaches out to people in the community? Hey Rusty, thanks for your comment. Sounds like a good tag line. My church is in the process of “rebranding” itself using a faith, hope, and love theme as well.

How does the tag line translate into the way your church engages and reaches out to people in the community?

]]> By: Rusty http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6753 Rusty Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:35:16 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6753 btw- that stake looks awesome.... btw- that stake looks awesome….

]]> By: Rusty http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/11/24/can-churches-sell-the-sizzle-without-selling-out-the-steak/comment-page-1/#comment-6752 Rusty Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:34:45 +0000 http://www.liveintentionally.org/?p=722#comment-6752 Faith, Hope, and Love. We actually stole/borrowed Mosaics tag lines. To live by faith, a voice of hope, Known by Love. We use the Upward towards God [faith], Inwards towards community [love], Outwards towards others [hope] model. I would like to say I thought it up, but its really just a holistic church living in the tension of being who God called us to be. not everyone will get it, many are still looking for the church that fixes everything, but its who we are and we are comfortable in it. Faith, Hope, and Love. We actually stole/borrowed Mosaics tag lines. To live by faith, a voice of hope, Known by Love.

We use the Upward towards God [faith], Inwards towards community [love], Outwards towards others [hope] model. I would like to say I thought it up, but its really just a holistic church living in the tension of being who God called us to be.

not everyone will get it, many are still looking for the church that fixes everything, but its who we are and we are comfortable in it.

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