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	<title>Comments on: Tribes Day 6 – Are You Badgering, Begging, or Calling?</title>
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		<title>By: Join the Trust Agents group blog project &#171; Christian Web Trends Blog by OurChurch.Com</title>
		<link>http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/04/18/tribes-day-6-badgering-begging-calling/comment-page-1/#comment-5602</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TRIBES - The Blogging Adventure</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andy Darnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Darnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 01:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Paul. Great stuff. We all need to re communicate the vision more often. New blood to an organization makes it real easy for the overall vision to get fuzzy. 

Calling folks instead of badgering... makes me think of all the times my wife spends on the the phone trying to get volunteers for nursery. I know that she feels beat up after going through the normal list of faithful. She feels like she&#039;s begging/badgering... Guess I need to step up and CALL some folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Paul. Great stuff. We all need to re communicate the vision more often. New blood to an organization makes it real easy for the overall vision to get fuzzy. </p>
<p>Calling folks instead of badgering&#8230; makes me think of all the times my wife spends on the the phone trying to get volunteers for nursery. I know that she feels beat up after going through the normal list of faithful. She feels like she&#8217;s begging/badgering&#8230; Guess I need to step up and CALL some folks.</p>
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		<title>By: #Tribes Day 6 &#38; 7 &#171; The Kid Preacher</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, great questions.  I would love to hear Seth&#039;s answers to them.  My thoughts...

- He mentions people were volunteering their time and sleeping in the office.  It sounds more like they were giving above and beyond their regular time to the project.

- If I&#039;m a leader of leaders, I need to put my best, most passionate leaders on the projects that are most important to my organization.

- Everyone who leads a tribe is essentially competing for resources.  Each person has a limited amount of time, energy, and money.  Whether you lead a church, a business, a PTA, or a fantasy football league you are trying to inspire your tribe to put time, energy, and money into your movement instead of another movement.

- Our tendency is to think the best idea should should &quot;win.&quot;  But often it&#039;s the most most passionate tribe leader and the most passionate tribe that &quot;wins.&quot;

- A lot of people think they have the best idea, and when it doesn&#039;t &quot;win&quot; they complain and blame.  Instead, they should become a more passionate tribe leader and tell people why their idea (movement) is so important.

- This is a huge problem within the Christian church.  We complain that people choose to golf, or go to the beach, or sleep in rather than worship God on a Sunday morning.  We should be grieving the fact that are so ineffective at communicating with passion the love of God and promise of reconciliation, freedom, and new life in Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, great questions.  I would love to hear Seth&#8217;s answers to them.  My thoughts&#8230;</p>
<p>- He mentions people were volunteering their time and sleeping in the office.  It sounds more like they were giving above and beyond their regular time to the project.</p>
<p>- If I&#8217;m a leader of leaders, I need to put my best, most passionate leaders on the projects that are most important to my organization.</p>
<p>- Everyone who leads a tribe is essentially competing for resources.  Each person has a limited amount of time, energy, and money.  Whether you lead a church, a business, a PTA, or a fantasy football league you are trying to inspire your tribe to put time, energy, and money into your movement instead of another movement.</p>
<p>- Our tendency is to think the best idea should should &#8220;win.&#8221;  But often it&#8217;s the most most passionate tribe leader and the most passionate tribe that &#8220;wins.&#8221;</p>
<p>- A lot of people think they have the best idea, and when it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;win&#8221; they complain and blame.  Instead, they should become a more passionate tribe leader and tell people why their idea (movement) is so important.</p>
<p>- This is a huge problem within the Christian church.  We complain that people choose to golf, or go to the beach, or sleep in rather than worship God on a Sunday morning.  We should be grieving the fact that are so ineffective at communicating with passion the love of God and promise of reconciliation, freedom, and new life in Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: TRIBES - The Blogging Adventure</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.liveintentionally.org/2009/04/18/tribes-day-6-badgering-begging-calling/comment-page-1/#comment-3290</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the great comments.  What I would love to hear now is stories of what happened when you put these principles into action...

- What happened when you made a conscious effort to call someone to your movement rather than badger or beg?

- What happened when you re-communicated the vision for your movement to the tribe?

- What happened when you told a story from along the journey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the great comments.  What I would love to hear now is stories of what happened when you put these principles into action&#8230;</p>
<p>- What happened when you made a conscious effort to call someone to your movement rather than badger or beg?</p>
<p>- What happened when you re-communicated the vision for your movement to the tribe?</p>
<p>- What happened when you told a story from along the journey?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I am going to play devil advocate here.  What do you think that the other managers in Seth&#039;s division thought?  Do you think there were other project that were good and maybe more important to the bottom line that were slowed down because Seth was going outside the system to get things done. I have no issue with his motivation.  I think his motivation is great.  I have issues with his use of resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I am going to play devil advocate here.  What do you think that the other managers in Seth&#8217;s division thought?  Do you think there were other project that were good and maybe more important to the bottom line that were slowed down because Seth was going outside the system to get things done. I have no issue with his motivation.  I think his motivation is great.  I have issues with his use of resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post Paul!  You brought these pages to life.  Lots of good things to ponder here . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post Paul!  You brought these pages to life.  Lots of good things to ponder here . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Tumlinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm Tumlinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Paul!

I have to admit I have used all three of these tactics. Badgering, just created resentment or undisclosed turmoil from tribe member to tribe member. Begging, seemed to (like some of the aforementioned comments talked about) lessen the value of the vision we were trying to cast. Honestly this has been the first time I have ever worked for a place that challenges me to calling people to a movement. 

I have to admit I am not familiar with that language, so I find myself falling back into the previous two ways of communication, 1. because it&#039;s easier 2. because I don&#039;t have to be as passionate (i.e. not as much for me to risk too) about the vision myself.

Talk about a gut check. I need to get on my knees after hearing this, especially your last paragraph on &quot;Calling people to a movement.&quot; wow!

Finally, I think Im pretty good at telling stories, but I need to help inspire my leaders to tell their story in this mix. Because each one of my small group leaders is really a tribe leader too. Hopefully we can tighten up the vision leak!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Paul!</p>
<p>I have to admit I have used all three of these tactics. Badgering, just created resentment or undisclosed turmoil from tribe member to tribe member. Begging, seemed to (like some of the aforementioned comments talked about) lessen the value of the vision we were trying to cast. Honestly this has been the first time I have ever worked for a place that challenges me to calling people to a movement. </p>
<p>I have to admit I am not familiar with that language, so I find myself falling back into the previous two ways of communication, 1. because it&#8217;s easier 2. because I don&#8217;t have to be as passionate (i.e. not as much for me to risk too) about the vision myself.</p>
<p>Talk about a gut check. I need to get on my knees after hearing this, especially your last paragraph on &#8220;Calling people to a movement.&#8221; wow!</p>
<p>Finally, I think Im pretty good at telling stories, but I need to help inspire my leaders to tell their story in this mix. Because each one of my small group leaders is really a tribe leader too. Hopefully we can tighten up the vision leak!!!</p>
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